Dartmoor Trip 24th & 25th September

[Martin]

Following on from the Ten Tors challenge thread, I have set up a Doodle poll to determine the dates for the next Dartmoor trip. It will be in September so check out the poll here http://www.doodle.com/9umvkhu5cinqmnv4 and get your name down if you fancy coming along.

Martin

[Martin]

As you will have seen, I've closed the other thread and I'm going to close the Doodle poll now. It appears that the date for the next Ten Tors challenge is the weekend of 24th and 25th September.

We will be staying at the Fox Tor Café Bunk House, space permitting so that we can get a good breakfast ready for a 0730 start on the Saturday morning.

The route is yet to be decided but it will one of the 35 mile routes from this year's Ten Tors Challenge, and it will have to include either North Hessary Tor or South Hessary Tor as those are the nearest tors to the start in Princetown.

Anyway, can't wait to get started now. Please keep your questions flowing in, as it's through questions that the plan comes together.

Martin

[Metal mug]

Was the doodle pole* a first past the post, or an AV voting system. :D -



* I could correct my spelling but won't for your enjoyment. :)

[Martin]

Was the doodle pole a first past the post, or an AV voting system. :D

Doh!! Did you really mean 'Pole'?

Martin

[Metal mug]

Doh!! Did you really mean 'Pole'?

MartinHa ha! I'm an eejit.

[dogrob]

Sorry for sounding dippy but is the trip set in stone for the 24th and 25th now?

[Metal mug]

Sorry for sounding dippy but is the trip set in stone for the 24th and 25th now?I believe so but i'll wait for Martin to confirm it.

[Martin]

As set in stone as it can be Rob. I can't really conceive of any circumstances that would make us change these dates now.

Martin

[dogrob]

As set in stone as it can be Rob. I can't really conceive of any circumstances that would make us change these dates now.

Martin

Ok Martin thats fine, looking forward to it.

[jus_young]

Is parking available at Fox Tor or do alternative arrangements need to be made?

[Martin]

Is parking available at Fox Tor or do alternative arrangements need to be made?

No, we can park at Fox Tor Café. Just need to be considerate and park at the top of the car park. :)

Martin

[Metal mug]

And at the bunkhouse there's an oven. I think i'll have a roast dinner for brekkie. :)

[dogrob]

Ok first question, what sort of weight will everyone be carrying on this trip? I have got my pack down to about 6kg without food or water.

[Martin]

Ok first question, what sort of weight will everyone be carrying on this trip? I have got my pack down to about 6kg without food or water.

Well, there is a Ten Tors Challenge kit list that you will need to satisfy which may increase your pack weight a bit http://events.exeter.ac.uk/tentors/forms/FTT7-2011.htm. The main thing to remember is the emergency stuff like spare clothing, first aid kit and emergency rations, all of which add to your weight. Not to mention the full waterproofs that will be required at this time of year.

I will be pleased with a packweight of around 12Kg including food and 3 litres of water.

Martin

[dogrob]

Well, there is a Ten Tors Challenge kit list that you will need to satisfy which may increase your pack weight a bit http://events.exeter.ac.uk/tentors/forms/FTT7-2011.htm. The main thing to remember is the emergency stuff like spare clothing, first aid kit and emergency rations, all of which add to your weight. Not to mention the full waterproofs that will be required at this time of year.

I will be pleased with a packweight of around 12Kg including food and 3 litres of water.

Martin

Just had a look through list and I have most of it covered in my usual kit so no probs there, I'm going to take about 2ltrs of water there's usually plenty around on the moors although some of its not something I would drink unless really desperate.

I noticed that GPS isn't allowed on that list, does that apply to this trip although unless it gets really foggy it shouldn't be needed although that is a fairly common occurrence on Dartmoor lol.

[Adam Savage]

Don't think I'll be able to make it, any time soon. I've been on a few treks over the last couple months, and after 5-6 miles, my thigh keeps giving me jip, so in the interest of others actually being able to get a decent walk, without me slowing you down, or causing it to be cut short, I will be stepping out until further notice. I shall however keep walking when I can, to try and toughen up the ol' thighs.

Hope you have a great time of it fellas.

Adam

[jus_young]

Take it easy and catch you another time.

[Adam Savage]

Take it easy and catch you another time.

Thanks Jus. Will see if I can intercept you, en-route. I'm sure there will be part of the route I can get to comfortably lol.

[Martin]

Really sorry to hear that Adam but at least you won't be slowing us all down again! :D (sorry mate, couldn't resist)

Martin

[Adam Savage]

Really sorry to hear that Adam but at least you won't be slowing us all down again! :D (sorry mate, couldn't resist)

Martin

Nah, I know I didn't help you guys much, being all slow and everything, not to mention whinging constantly ;)

[jus_young]

Nah, I know I didn't help you guys much, being all slow and everything, not to mention whinging constantly ;)

Don't worry Adam, I can take your place this time round.

[Kieran]

I haven't been following this.. But are you definately going?

[Martin]

I haven't been following this.. But are you definately going?

Yup. :)

Martin

[jus_young]

Busy couple of weeks coming up, Wilderness Gathering, Exmoor meet and this one, looking forward to them all.

[Metal mug]

So what time are we meeting at the cafe on friday, sixish?

[dogrob]

So what time are we meeting at the cafe on friday, sixish?

Sounds good to me :-)

[Martin]

So what time are we meeting at the cafe on friday, sixish?

Well, we've got to book it first and to do that we need final numbers.

Martin

[jus_young]

Well, we've got to book it first and to do that we need final numbers.

Martin

If names are needed for final numbers: (unless I'm jumping the gun here)

Justin Young

[jus_young]

Looks like I'm going alone then

[dogrob]

Looks like I'm going alone then

I'm going!! :-)

[Metal mug]

If names are needed for final numbers: (unless I'm jumping the gun here)

Justin Young


Looks like I'm going alone thenCan you carry my bag for me? :D

[Martin]

In which case:

Martin
Justin
Rob
Jack
Kieran (I think)

Anyone else??

Martin

[jus_young]

Shaun?

[Metal mug]

Shaun?Yes count him in. :)

[Martin]

In which case:

Martin
Justin
Rob
Jack
Shaun
Kieran (I think)

Anyone else??

Martin

[Martin]

Chaps, I'm afraid there is a slim chance that I may not be able to make this weekend. There is a possibility that a personal matter may have to take precedence which is unavoidable.

I'm happy to continue with making arrangements and to plan routes etc etc if you like.

Martin

[jus_young]

I'm quite happy to get everyone lost.

[Metal mug]

I'm quite happy to get everyone lost.Sounds good. :)

[jus_young]

This one has gone quiet...

Martin, I think you have got everyone worried now.

[Martin]

I'm truly sorry about this chaps, but I have now damaged one of the ligments in my right knee, through too much running on hard surfaces, and have been told to rest it for six weeks so, even if I could have made this, I now am not able to do this trip.

I really hope it still goes ahead as I love the moor and it would be great to see how you all get on.

Martin

[Metal mug]

I would still like to go ahead, as long as everyone is still keen.

[Metal mug]

Oh and sorry about the knee Martin. :(

[Adam Savage]

Go easy Martin (which you already know) and hope you make a full recovery soon. Things like that, tend to give you grief for a while, especially in cold/damp conditions. Maybe not the best time of year for such an injury, but long as you're kind to it, you'll still be able to enjoy less arduous events and meets.

Adam

[dogrob]

Chaps, I'm afraid there is a slim chance that I may not be able to make this weekend. There is a possibility that a personal matter may have to take precedence which is unavoidable.

I'm happy to continue with making arrangements and to plan routes etc etc if you like.

Martin

That's a shame Martin, still these things can't be helped. Just hope your knee heals up soon, I have always avoided running for the above reason, nothing at all to do with the fact I'm bone idol lol.

[jus_young]

Take care Martin.

I'm still up for this one but my knowledge of Dartmoor is non existent, just to let you other folks know.

[Martin]

Take care Martin.

I'm still up for this one but my knowledge of Dartmoor is non existent, just to let you other folks know.

Don't worry about that, the Ordnance Survey have worked hard to help you out. They've drawn a very good picture of it to show you where you are and where you are going. ;)

Martin

[Metal mug]

Take care Martin.

I'm still up for this one but my knowledge of Dartmoor is non existent, just to let you other folks know.


Don't worry about that, the Ordnance Survey have worked hard to help you out. They've drawn a very good picture of it to show you where you are and where you are going. ;)

MartinWe'll go walkabout. :)

[jus_young]

Don't worry about that, the Ordnance Survey have worked hard to help you out. They've drawn a very good picture of it to show you where you are and where you are going. ;)

Martin

Yeah, I bought a copy of that picture and it looks remarkably like one my kids drew when they were 4 years old! I am not that worried, has been a while since I seriously navigated my way around anywhere so it will be good to refresh the brain cell. Could I ask Martin, has the digs been arranged for the Friday or does someone need to sort this out. It seems a bit odd you organising when your no longer doing it.

[Martin]

Yeah, I bought a copy of that picture and it looks remarkably like one my kids drew when they were 4 years old! I am not that worried, has been a while since I seriously navigated my way around anywhere so it will be good to refresh the brain cell. Could I ask Martin, has the digs been arranged for the Friday or does someone need to sort this out. It seems a bit odd you organising when your no longer doing it.

No mate, I haven't organised the bunk house. A call to the Fox Tor Café is all that's needed there. They are really helpful but you'll need to know final numbers and they charge a deposit which is non refundable. I only got caught for one deposit last time.

If you check out the Ten Tors website, you will find all the 35 mile routes used this year which would be a good starting point for route planning. :)

Martin

[jus_young]

No mate, I haven't organised the bunk house. A call to the Fox Tor Café is all that's needed there. They are really helpful but you'll need to know final numbers and they charge a deposit which is non refundable. I only got caught for one deposit last time.

If you check out the Ten Tors website, you will find all the 35 mile routes used this year which would be a good starting point for route planning. :)

Martin

Thanks Martin.

Well folks, confirmed numbers are now needed so that the bunk house can be sorted so get your names down now!

[Martin]

And, if there was ever any doubt, I am now sure that my knee will not allow me to do this trip. The doctor told me to rest it for six weeks, so a week later I thought I'd give it a go running on Perraporth beach. Err, guess the doctor knows more about these things than I do. :(

Martin

[jus_young]

Never doubt the doctors, they always know best :confused2:

[Metal mug]

I'm still in for the trip and so is shaun.

[jus_young]

Well it is looking like 4 at the moment

Rob
Jack
Shaun
Justin

Have not heard anything about Kieran so I will look at booking for 4 people at the bunk house. Is there a particular route that one of you may be familiar with that you think might be worth a try?

[Metal mug]

Is there a particular route that one of you may be familiar with that you think might be worth a try?No :)

[jus_young]

Have a look at this one for a possible route

http://events.exeter.ac.uk/tentors/2011/map-i.htm


This route will take in South Hessary which Martin highlighted as a start point closest to the bunk house. As you will see on the route plan, the original Ten Tors start point was nowhere near where we will be starting so the route allows us to cross between two Tors, bypassing the original start point, without losing any significant distance from the planned 35 miles. (hope you get what I mean by looking at the route plan!)

[jus_young]

For other possible routes here is the link, 'J' is a possibility...

[Metal mug]

For other possible routes here is the link, 'J' is a possibility...Is there a link or is my computer broken? :)

[jus_young]

Try this one, my fault

http://events.exeter.ac.uk/tentors/2011/indexr.htm

[Martin]

However, you really should aim to get to Okehampton Camp on the route or you will be missing a fairly large chunk of the route. Sourton Tor to Hound Tor via Okhampton Camp is a long way and requires some decent navigation. Your call guys but you will be missing quite a bit.

Martin

[Adam Savage]

http://events.exeter.ac.uk/tentors/Images/map-j11.gif

[Adam Savage]

This route may work better, as it wouldn't make much difference cutting out their star/ finish.

http://www.bsccf.co.uk/images/TenTors/TenTorsMaps/map-b.gif

[Adam Savage]

Maybe even go from Lynch, to Hare, then up to Sourton, before going across to East mill. Giving you that little extra bit of distance.

[Martin]

East Mill Tor to Anthony Stile at OK Camp is a walk up the 'ring road' and is well worth while in my opinion. It means that you have actually completed the Ten Tors Challenge as set out on the map. But, like I said, it's your call guys. Wish I could be doing it with you.

Martin

[jus_young]

This route may work better, as it wouldn't make much difference cutting out their star/ finish.

http://www.bsccf.co.uk/images/TenTors/TenTorsMaps/map-b.gif

Ok, this may work better as I read on another post from the TT site that there is restrictions on access around Sittaford with specific guidance on how to get round a disused farm. Don't know what the restrictions are but this avoids it anyway. Thanks for pointing out the error of my deviation Martin. I was not aware that the start/finish is pretty crucial. Without looking at the TT site properly I assumed the start/finish was probably a car park somewhere, but now think that to stay with the TT ethos the whole walk should be quite rightly completed.

What say the rest of the four muskateers?

[jus_young]

Adam, where did that map come from as its not on the 2011 site I'm looking at?

EDIT

Four years later (or should that be earlier?) and I have found it http://events.exeter.ac.uk/tentors/2007/indexr35.htm and you want route A

[Adam Savage]

It came from the bsccf website, http://www.bsccf.co.uk/activities/tentors/TenTors2004.htm to be precise

it's their 2004 35mile route. They change the routes on ten tors quite regularly I believe, so at least it used to be an official route.

[jus_young]

It came from the bsccf website, http://www.bsccf.co.uk/activities/tentors/TenTors2003.htm to be precise

it's their 2003 35mile route. They change the routes on ten tors quite regularly I believe, so at least it used to be an official route.

Cheers Adam, something funny happening with timings at the moment, I post and 15 mins disappears?

[Adam Savage]

Route B I think it is.

[Adam Savage]

That might have been my fault then, I changed the link after I posted (got the wrong one).

[jus_young]

Adam, where did that map come from as its not on the 2011 site I'm looking at?

EDIT

Four years later (or should that be earlier?) and I have found it http://events.exeter.ac.uk/tentors/2007/indexr35.htm and you want route A


Route B I think it is.

Routes A and B are the same, one route is clockwise and the other anti clockwise

Thanks again Adam

[Adam Savage]

Wow. I thought they changed the routes. Sorry, my mistake.

[jus_young]

And looking at this one http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/B142BEE9-0429-4B83-8217-1F5DFD872A85/0/20110907Dartmoorsixweekfiringnoticecommencing07091 1.pdf we are not going to get shot at either which is kinda nice

[jus_young]

Wow. I thought they changed the routes. Sorry, my mistake.

My mistake aswell, I just picked up on your link being 2003 :confused2:

[jus_young]

:confused2: Or was that 2004 :confused2:

:zombie-fighting:

[Metal mug]

I've bought a map case then couldn't find my Dartmoor map. :D Another thing to add to my list.

[Metal mug]

And looking at this one http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/B142BEE9-0429-4B83-8217-1F5DFD872A85/0/20110907Dartmoorsixweekfiringnoticecommencing07091 1.pdf we are not going to get shot at either which is kinda niceDid you check the Zulu firing range times? :)

[Adam Savage]

Better watch out for those spears...

[jus_young]

I can't think of anything to say

[jus_young]

So what do you think of the route then folks?

Hope the weather is better than whats projected for the Exmoor meet.

[Metal mug]

So what do you think of the route then folks?

Hope the weather is better than whats projected for the Exmoor meet.Hurrah for Exmoor! :D

[jus_young]

So what do you think of the route then folks?

Hope the weather is better than whats projected for the Exmoor meet.

Bump

[jus_young]

Have another one joining this trip so that makes 5!

[Metal mug]

Are we booked in at the cafe?

[Metal mug]

Just sorting out the route on my map. :)

[jus_young]

Beginning to think this trip is cursed. I'm afraid that due to illness I am now also unable to attend which means my +1 is also out. I have abdominal pains at the moment and have been warned it might be a precursor for appendicitis so it would be irresponsible for me to track across dartmoor. Sorry folks.
Can I suggest that if you still intend to go with the remaining three that you call the bunkhouse asap and sort bookings as my reservation has obviously been cancelled but I would like to make sure that everyone else is still ok.

[jus_young]

Beginning to think this trip is cursed. I'm afraid that due to illness I am now also unable to attend which means my +1 is also out. I have abdominal pains at the moment and have been warned it might be a precursor for appendicitis so it would be irresponsible for me to track across dartmoor. Sorry folks.
Can I suggest that if you still intend to go with the remaining three that you call the bunkhouse asap and sort bookings as my reservation has obviously been cancelled but I would like to make sure that everyone else is still ok.

!Just making it as obvious as possible!

[Metal mug]

Sorry to hear that Jus. But me and Shaun are still keen to continue.



(To be continued)

Are you still in dogrob?

[jus_young]

Feel gutted to be honest, bought new kit for this and was looking forward to it. Should have seen it coming really as I wasn't 100% at Exmoor.

[Metal mug]

If you see pictures of me on the local news, er it probably means the trip has gone awry. ;)

[jus_young]

Don't tempt fate, enough has gone wrong just getting this far!

[Metal mug]

Don't tempt fate, enough has gone wrong just getting this far!But you're forgeting I have the zulus on my side. :D

[Martin]

Why don't we just postpone the trip, I still want to do it, until a later date. Once Justin's appendicitis is proven one way or the other, and my knee is much better we could make a really good trip.

Just a thought but no reason why we can't do this in October or November except that the days will be much shorter.

Martin

[jus_young]

Hilarious appendicitis! Pain comes and goes as it pleases. Don't think for a minute that it is but just can't take the chance. I will still be up for a later trip work permitting.

[jus_young]

And now my name has changed, who is Dick Proenneke anyway?

[Adam Savage]

And now my name has changed, who is Dick Proenneke anyway?

You don't know who Richard Proenneke is? :shocked:

[jus_young]

No

[jus_young]

To live in a pristine land unchanged by man...
to roam a wilderness through which few other humans have passed...
to choose an idyllic site, cut trees and build a log cabin...
to be a self-sufficient craftsman, making what is needed from materials available...
to be not at odds with the world, but content with one's own thoughts and company...

http://www.dickproenneke.com/DickProenneke.html

Gotta love Google, other search engines are available :D

[Adam Savage]

click here :) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Proenneke)

[Adam Savage]

To live in a pristine land unchanged by man...
to roam a wilderness through which few other humans have passed...
to choose an idyllic site, cut trees and build a log cabin...
to be a self-sufficient craftsman, making what is needed from materials available...
to be not at odds with the world, but content with one's own thoughts and company...

http://www.dickproenneke.com/DickProenneke.html

Gotta love Google, other search engines are available :D

That's the fella..:)

[jus_young]

Beat you to it :tongue:

[Adam Savage]

That's me in the naughty corner then lol

[dogrob]

Ok so I'm all packed and ready to rock and roll, when are we off then?? lol. Im more than happy going in autumn / winter, give me a time and date and I will be there!!

[dogrob]

For some reason I haven't been getting email updates for this thread and assumed it had died a death! Well it sounds like I'll health has gripped us all as although I haven't got appendicitis or a muscle damage I do have man flu :-(

I'm popping up to the Brecon beacons next month all being well and more than happy to do this another time. I think with age opportunities to do this sort of thing become less and less because of commitments, I'll health etc etc. I never did believe my dad when I was a kid and he said it was the bast years of my life...

[Martin]

Really sorry about this Rob but there will be another chance pretty soon. Would be great to meet up with you and with the other guys. Looking forward to it already.

Martin

[Adam Savage]

Really sorry about this Rob but there will be another chance pretty soon. Would be great to meet up with you and with the other guys. Looking forward to it already.

Martin

Hopefully the ol' thigh will be good by then, so I can join you guys.