Phone apps for Android

[Corbeau]

Yeah here we go,

I think it fits best here. What bushcrafting related Apps do you carry on your android phone?

I carry basicly none yet, except a standalone offline Mapapp called Maverick.

That's why i started this thread to see if somebody has recommendations.

Why would I need such thing in bushcrafting you may ask? You don't; but it is making me way relaxter to know I could call someone, if I am in trouble or have something to navigate me home after my map& compass navigationskills failed and my gps broke...highly unlikely still possible...

So let's get this discussion rolling. ;)

Cheers,
Corbeau

Btw it would be nice if you add if it's a free app or not...

[Silverback]

Why would I need such thing in bushcrafting you may ask? You don't; ..highly unlikely still possible...



Kind of answered your own questions there.......

[ADz]

Don't worry there is plenty of decent outdoors/bushcraft/foraging apps that are really usefull to have on you from GPS/mapping/plant ID/fungi/first aid/knots/survival/emergency location senders etc.

Ill post some info and links for you when I'm home.

[Silverback]

emergency location senders ? Like to look at them......

Currently one has been made, designed and used by UK MR teams called SARLoC it sends a link to the lost persons smart phone, they log on to the link and it then sends their grid reference....

it still relies on the missing group to ring 999 first...wouldnt it be better not to get lost in the first place ? Theres an easy way round that learn to read a map, learn how to use a compass, astral and natural navigation and............. stop relying on technology, the free ride in a big yellow helicopter, or the free guiding service....

[Adam Savage]

I agree, there are some useful apps out there. Far too many of them to list, and many are very much the same as each other (i.e. fungi apps are all similar, bird id apps seem to include the same species), so it's not fair of me to suggest one over the other.

What must be remembered is, these apps are for reference, not dependence. First aid apps seem pointless to me, as it's one of those areas where speed can be of the essence. You should familiarise yourself with basic first aid before you head out.

As for plant and fungi id, I wouldn't trust the photos in the apps to give a firm identification. Far too much variation in each genus, as well as similarities between genera.

The navigational apps are very useful. Great for logging location of edibles you come across, nesting sites that you may wish to revisit, sources of fresh water, or even nice camping areas. :)

[Corbeau]

Ok, let me clarify a bit:
I'm totally aware that knowledge is king. Especially the one in your brain and not in books, apps, articles or whatsoever. That said, what i wanted to start here:

I wanted to make a database of usefull apps that could help you out or are just a nice read. Saying yes they are out there go find them yourself is not what I ment this thread to be.

I did quite a bit of research but just trying 10-15 fungi apps comparing them with book and with knowledge you already have is interesting but sadly not really practical, if you don't have the time for it, and sadly my time is EXTREMLY limited.

So the idea was to start an exchange where people write why they use for example one app over the other.

Obviously you should not depend on electric devices, just for the reason they are electric, but let's be honest 99,5% of us are carrying a cell phone out in the bush and a rough guess is that at least 40% of those carry a smartphone. So why not make an constructive exchange.

My reasoning for excample of picking Maverick over other offline Mapapps was simply because I like the look and the possibility to select different maps for different types of "expeditions". For example there are bicycle maps available for germany and hicking maps for japan. You basicly choose the mapprovider out of a list of 15 or so...

And in Japan I just slam my prepaid into my phone and use WiFi to preload the maps of where I'm going.

Electricity is not a problem in Japan. Finding free WiFi and the addresssystem of Japan on the other hand can be, let's say it nicely, quite annoying, because streets don't have names: an address consists out of: Land, Area, (registration area), City, Suburb, Quarternumber, Blocknumber, Housenumber, Appartmentnumber, and the only thing you see in the streets are housenumbers and sometimes in what quarter you are ...

So setting a waypoint and having the maps bloody helps.

First aid apps are like most of the knowledge apps in my opinion not a reference, that you use while being out there, but they are a nice read to get your memory refreshed while for example comuting, so please include them also in the recommendations, if you have a good one.


Sorry for the wall of text.

[Silverback]

I have a Medical Memo in A5..its laminated so its waterproof, I can write on it with marker or chinagraph and it doesnt run out of electricity. First Aid like navigation is a skill that degrades, it has to be practiced as well as read. Reading about First Aid is no substitute for a course, appropriate training and of course regular practice and updates.

I have laminated maps of the area I mainly operate in..they are waterproof and dont run out of electricity It can be used as a sit mat and in extremis as overhead cover. I have a GPS for position fixes it uses the same batteries as my head torch and hand torch.

I have a compass, if that fails I can navigate by features, landmarks, astral features and the sun. As someone who can navigate i only need to be able to access local mapping to be able to get around....not requirement to do it by phone app really.

I have a fungi id book and a wild food book, both not very heavy and with clear concise pictures and descriptions..dont need electricity....

I do have a smartphone...most of the time in the upland areas in which I live there is no phone signal never mind data...downloadable content is pointless..

[JonnyP]

candy crush

[Silverback]

theres a point....angry birds

[Kit Mac]

The only bushy related app I have is the OS Atlas. Gives you a road atlas, 1:50k and 1:25k OS maps of the UK for a couple of quid. It only works with WiFi but its handy to be able to plan route and check out possible trip locations before buying the paper map.

[wildish64]

veiwranger for me...(runs for cover)

[Silverback]

veiwranger for me...(runs for cover)

but you know how to read a map and navigate using the land / nature.......

[wildish64]

but you know how to read a map and navigate using the land / nature....... T^

[ADz]

but you know how to read a map and navigate using the land / nature.......

But why use a map if you have an electronic one at hand? I'm not saying don't use paper maps, quite the contrary, I really want to have that skill and think its very important to have these skills but it doesn't mean you cant or shouldn't also have/use quicker/more convenient ways when and if you feel like it. For example if I was going on a long drive or somewhere I didnt know (If I was a driver) There is no way I would just rely on a map if I had a GPS/mapping device.

We all have our own opinions and preferences and come from different generations and my personal preference would be to use a electronic map/gps first and if those fail (which is inevitable) because of battery/signal etc then you have map/navigation skills to fall back on.

This can obviously work in reverse sometimes though because I would personally find it more fun/satisfying to light (or attempt) to light a fire using bushcraft techniques then to simply take lighter our of my pocket.


Anyway, back on topic...

@ Corbeau

These are just some examples, Not saying they're the best options as I haven't had chance to test them properley or compare yet but it should be a good place to start for you....

Emergency Button (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.emergency.button&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5lb WVyZ2VuY3kuYnV0dG9uIl0.): Define a phone number and/or an email address and whenever you press the big red button, the distress signal will be sent out to these recipients along with your GPS/Network location (a google maps link) and a personalized message.


MapsWithMe Pro, Offline Maps (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mapswithme.maps.pro&feature=nav_other#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDYsImNvbS5tYXBzd 2l0aG1lLm1hcHMucHJvIl0.):
The fastest offline maps of the entire world. Feel confident while traveling. Maps work everywhere, anytime!

BackCountry Navigator PRO GPS (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.crittermap.backcountrynavigator.lic ense&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5jc ml0dGVybWFwLmJhY2tjb3VudHJ5bmF2aWdhdG9yLmxpY2Vuc2U iXQ..):
Use your phone or tablet as an offroad topo mapping GPS with the bestselling outdoor navigation app for Android! Explore beyond cell coverage for hiking, and trekking.

First Aid (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.usa.health.ifitness.firstaid&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS51c 2EuaGVhbHRoLmlmaXRuZXNzLmZpcnN0YWlkIl0.):
When you are in a emergency situation, how to deal with it? You need some instructions and First aid is your first choice. (Note: Important to already have first aid skills but just in case use this as fall back/reference etc)

Fungitron - mushroom guide (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.gfx54b.android.fungitron&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsIm9yZy5nZ ng1NGIuYW5kcm9pZC5mdW5naXRyb24iXQ..):
HIGHEST number of FREE mushrooms (70), with own, expert verified HQ photos. HIGHEST number of combinable identification parameters (~150).

Geocaching (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.groundspeak.geocaching&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5nc m91bmRzcGVhay5nZW9jYWNoaW5nIl0.):
Use the Official Geocaching.com App to find cleverly hidden containers. The app unlocks the exclusive coordinates and info for nearly 2 million hidden geocaches.

Knots 3D (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nynix.knots3d&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5ue W5peC5rbm90czNkIl0.):
Knots 3D - Tie, untie and rotate 85+ knots with your finger in 3D! ★
Our top-rated 3D knot app, will give you a whole new perspective on knots! Grab a piece of rope and have fun!

Mushrooms PRO (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.naturemobile.mushrooms&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsIm9yZy5uY XR1cmVtb2JpbGUubXVzaHJvb21zIl0.):
+ + + The ultimate pocket sized identification tool for mushrooms! + + +
+++ 300 species - 2000 images - identification function - quiz +++

Mushtool - Mushroom (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mushtool.activities&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5td XNodG9vbC5hY3Rpdml0aWVzIl0.):
Mushtool is an application for all the mushroom finders, from amateurs to professionals.

My Tracks (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.maps.mytracks&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5nb 29nbGUuYW5kcm9pZC5tYXBzLm15dHJhY2tzIl0.):
My Tracks records your path, speed, distance, and elevation while you walk, run, bike, or do anything else outdoors. While recording, you can view your data live, annotate your path, and hear periodic voice announcements of your progress.
- Identify the mushroom with a great quality pictures.

ViewRanger Outdoors GPS & Maps (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.augmentra.viewranger.android&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5hd WdtZW50cmEudmlld3Jhbmdlci5hbmRyb2lkIl0.):
Free Global Open Sourced Maps
ViewRanger is the complete offline mapping, navigation & guided trail service for Outdoor Enthusiasts. Perfect for backcountry exploring or simply days out in the frontcountry.

Wild Edibles (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.winterroot.wildedibles.full&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsIm5ldC53a W50ZXJyb290LndpbGRlZGlibGVzLmZ1bGwiXQ..):
Wild Edibles provides an intuitive and easy to use interface for identifying and using wild edible plants, drawing on the outstanding publications and extensive knowledge of "Wildman" Steve Brill.

SAS Survival Guide (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.trellisys.sas&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS50c mVsbGlzeXMuc2FzIl0.):
For over twenty years, the SAS Survival Guide has been the definitive guide to surviving any situation, anywhere in the world. Now, for the first time ever, the million-copy bestselling book and the hugely successful iPhone/iPad app, has been reinvented for the Android.

[Silverback]

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We all have our own opinions and preferences and come from different generations and my personal preference would be to use a electronic map/gps first and if those fail (which is inevitable) because of battery/signal etc then you have map/navigation skills to fall back on.

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If you have the nav skills in the first place...... If you care to search the figures you will see a definate trend towards vehicles ending up in daft places thanks to 'dashboard doris'...and more worryingly for folks in the emergency services those going out with a mobile app thinking it will get them up and down Ben Nevis you know the press a button and take me home' app - this leads to other people putting thier lives potentially at risk for people who place absolute trust and reliance on technology - have a look at the bigger picture.

and its not a generational thing middle aged and older folks rely on technology too....

[ADz]

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If you have the nav skills in the first place...... If you care to search the figures you will see a definate trend towards vehicles ending up in daft places thanks to 'dashboard doris'.

That's because these people dont use common sense and instead blindly follow the satnav or they use out of date maps which is a extremely common problem.

[Bernie]

I made a free camping knots app that you can download from PhoneGap build page: https://build.phonegap.com/apps/37310/share

I've not put it in the app store because I'm too tight to pay for the privilege of providing my app for free. No wonder people riddle their apps with adds. Maybe one day.

PS. If anyone has an idea for an app, or would like more knots than my app currently shows, please let me know and I'll have a go. :)

PPS. It's really nothing fancy, just a series of photos showing basic knots in step-by-step instructions like this:

https://raw.github.com/bernhard-hofmann/CampingKnots/master/assets/images/knots/butterfly/3.jpg

The full source code is available on GitHub. (https://github.com/bernhard-hofmann/CampingKnots)

[Silverback]

That's because these people dont use common sense and instead blindly follow the satnav or they use out of date maps which is a extremely common problem.

YES .....Dont you think I know this ? Its what I'm getting at.... Implicit reliance/trust on technology, lack of basic knowledge and lacking in common sense, oh and the attitude that the 'road closed' notice doesnt mean them......dangerous mix, this info taken from first hand experience of going out there looking for/rescuing them...!

[ADz]

Cool, thanks Bernie, will check it out :)

[Yungen of Bury]

my 2p.

using these apps sat at home, on the bus/tram is a good thing, same as reading a book. however using them outdoors is a bad idea. not specifically because they are innacurate, or unreliable. but using your smart phone to see what plant is what as you go DRAINS THE BATTERY.
killing your battery for kicks when you could well need that same device later in an emergency isnt paticularly wise...

so, by all means get apps read up go mad. but remember your phone is a piece of kit. and you need to care for it, remember its purpose outdoors and make sure its fit for that purpose.

mini rant over :)

[ADz]

but using your smart phone to see what plant is what as you go DRAINS THE BATTERY.

Which is specifically why we have extended battery's, spare battery's or even portable USB chargers ;)

Worrying about running out of battery is a non-issue if you're prepared. I have default battery, an extended one and a NewTrent USB charger which holds an extra 3 battery's worth and all this takes up virtual no extra space/weight.

[Silverback]

those fail (which is inevitable) because of battery/signal etc then you have map/navigation skills to fall back on.




your words




Worrying about running out of battery is a non-issue if you're prepared. I have default battery, an extended one and a NewTrent USB charger which holds an extra 3 battery's worth and all this takes up virtual no extra space/weight.

Do you know how long all your batteries last at -10 ?


and this is a subject that has been done already

http://www.naturalbushcraft.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?5038-free-gps-and-maps-for-your-mobile&highlight=mobile+apps

[ADz]

your words



Do you know how long all your batteries last at -10 ?


and this is a subject that has been done already

http://www.naturalbushcraft.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?5038-free-gps-and-maps-for-your-mobile&highlight=mobile+apps

Yes, and as I also said you can fall back on navigation skills (If you have them). Or if you forget the extra battery.

If you was going into a -10 situation then you obviously wouldn't rely on or expect to use battery power.


Its about choice, If you choose to use technology/convenience there is nothing wrong with it but if you go into dangerous environments and only rely on tech then that is obviously silly.

[rawfish111]

...wouldnt it be better not to get lost in the first place ? Theres an easy way round that learn to read a map, learn how to use a compass, astral and natural navigation and............. stop relying on technology, the free ride in a big yellow helicopter, or the free guiding service....

+1

[rawfish111]

I have a Medical Memo in A5..its laminated so its waterproof, I can write on it with marker or chinagraph and it doesnt run out of electricity. First Aid like navigation is a skill that degrades, it has to be practiced as well as read. Reading about First Aid is no substitute for a course, appropriate training and of course regular practice and updates.


Every course I teach I finish the CPR section with "Don't let your CPR skills get rusty the life you save may be a mates or that of one of your children. The British forces are not as good at what they do by practicing once every three years"

[Silverback]

dangerous environments and only rely on tech then that is obviously silly.

But as i keep trying to impress on you people do ! The availability of tech, apps and associated toys is getting more and more people into trouble every day - whats the point of a viewranger mapping system for example if you cant navigate for toffee in the first place - there are people who think that you programme waypoint a to waypoint b and like satnav it will work out the safest and most appropriate route, which of course it wont. On Ben Nevis getting a compass bearing wrong in clag will see you in serious trouble as you walk off the edge of Gardyloo Gully and plunge 1800 ft to your death.



If you was going into a -10 situation then you obviously wouldn't rely on or expect to use battery power. so your batteries arent worth a jot then... the first NSB meet it got down to -14 at one point ....

I never said technology didnt have its place or its uses what I have been saying all along is the total reliance on technology and gadgetry is not silly its stupid, maybe dangerous and in some environments down right irresponsible. Use tech by all means but it should be a back up to good solid skills and experience not a replacement - the lazymans option !

[Silverback]

9008

'nuff said !

[jus_young]

Going round in circles gents and going to end in tears....

[Silverback]

Going round in circles gents and going to end in tears....

no it isnt - end of chat...

[FishyFolk]

My thinking is this. I navigate in and out using traditional methods. I.e I know where I am, either because I am familiar with the area, or by map and compass.

In my jacket pocket, warmed by my body heat is my phone and a spare, charged battery. In the unlikely event that I hurt myself and can't self rescue, I have an app on my phone that on the press of a button, will send my position straight to rescue services. This has allready saved lives in Norway.

For sure it cant be relied uppon. But it's more likely that it will work than not. And having it is better than not.

Here is a terrible google translate of an article about it.

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=no&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nrk.no%2Ftrondelag%2Freddet-ned-fra-fjellet-av-ny-app-1.11084334

[Bernie]

Good work, three pages later, we seem to finally have agreed that we should not rely on a mobile phone to do it all for us, but that there are some apps that can save lives, and some that help us learn skills when we're not in a life threatening situation. Now that we've covered the topic of when, and when not to use a mobile phone, may I suggest we get back on topic and post links to apps that are related to Bushcraft?

Maybe someone can/should start another thread on how to make batteries last longer and battery chargers, but that's not this thread. Let's please try stick to posting links to useful apps as requested by the original post.

[Corbeau]

Sapper, I must say I am very sadly impressed by you. If you weren't a moderator, I would report you for trolling, because EVERY post you made was a personal rant of yourself about you not liking reliance on technologie.

Good for you, but i couldn't care less, because it has nothing to do with my topic of trying to make an appslist of good and interesting outdoorrelated apps.

I repeat again, this thread is not ment for any kind of discussion of sense or nonsense of phones in a outdoorsituation. Make your own thread if you think this is an important discussion, but get your rant out of my try to gather information that may be interesting for others to use.

And if you don't like the topic don't comment on it.


That said, thanks to everyone trying to contribute to the topic, instead of just pressing their opinion on others.

@ADz: one question, why do you use SAS Survival Guide as an app over a simple pdf?
especially if this app wants your exact position and network access?

[Bernie]

Everybody be cool. Please take one-on-one discussions to private messages so we can focus on the apps here.

In fact, if a moderator could remove all the off-topic posts in this thread it would leave about 4 posts I think, all of which would be useful to read if one were looking for an Android app related to Bushcrafting. :)

[Adam Savage]

As Bernie says, please keep any personal feelings in the realms of private messages Corbeau.

I will also draw your attention to this post by Sapper, on the previous page.



I never said technology didnt have its place or its uses what I have been saying all along is the total reliance on technology and gadgetry is not silly its stupid, maybe dangerous and in some environments down right irresponsible. Use tech by all means but it should be a back up to good solid skills and experience not a replacement - the lazymans option !

To me, the importance of reliability is very closely linked to the original thread, if not directly necessary to keep bringing up. Saying that, it may be a good idea for people to try and stick to apps they can suggest, as the truth of the matter is people do use apps, while out and about, and nothing we say will change their mind :)

[Kernowek Scouser]

Everybody be cool. Please take one-on-one discussions to private messages so we can focus on the apps here.

In fact, if a moderator could remove all the off-topic posts in this thread it would leave about 4 posts I think, all of which would be useful to read if one were looking for an Android app related to Bushcrafting. :)

Or instead of deleting the posts, perhaps (if it is possible) the thread could be split and edited into:

a) a thread for listing phone apps that members have used and would recommend (or have made themselves, which is just as impressive as carving a spoon IMHO, WELL DONE Bernie) as the OP originally requested and ...

b) A second thread where the valid discussion on the pros and cons on using / relying on mobile phone technology in addition to or in place of more traditional skills and knowledge can be continued, in a friendly and respectful manner, by those members who have strong feelings on the matter.

[Sar-ian]

SORRY, I must be on the wrong forum, I thought this was a bushcrafting forum, were we learned and used traditional skills, and tried to get away from "the modern world"... I'm sorry, but if you haven't got the skills to go out and Bushcraft, or are willing to learn the skills required, then go do something else...

Technology has its place but not in the woods, meadows and outdoors....

The depth of knowledge on here is very nearly limitless, ask, learn but more importantly listen to those who have more experience, and learn from others mistakes.....

And keep the insults to yourself, this is a friendly forum and not the place to vent your spleen because some-one doesn't agree with you.... cheers Ian...

[Bernie]

SORRY, I must be on the wrong forum, I thought this was a bushcrafting forum, were we learned and used traditional skills, and tried to get away from "the modern world"... I'm sorry, but if you haven't got the skills to go out and Bushcraft, or are willing to learn the skills required, then go do something else...

I see no reason not to carry a modern version of a notebook (my mobile phone) in my pocket when I'm out learning to identify plants, tie knots, or anything else. These are the apps I see as useful, but I'd be interested to hear if there are others. These are skills I'll hope to have one day when I don't have my mobile on me.

I can't believe we're still discussing whether mobiles are useful or not.

PLEASE ONLY POST ABOUT APPS, NOT WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD USE MOBILES.

[Silverback]

Bernie..no need to shout ;)

I actually like the sound of this one

http://www.trip-journal.com/

[JonnyP]

Sapper is involved in rescuing people who have got lost after relying on sat nav, apps etc, so its understandable he offers words of warning against such things.
Personally I think apps are a good thing, but not to be solely depended upon. I am into my wild plants and I would hate to think that some people may 'identify' and eat what they think is something like Angelica, when infact its really Hemlock Waterdropwort. They look similar and grow in similar places. Any plant you are new to and want to eat needs to be closely examined and cross referenced in books, but I bet there will at some point be a case of someone eating something they shouldn't because it looks like the pic on their app.
Its up to the individual how they want to play their hobby called Bushcraft. Some will only want to use the primitive stuff, some love the modern kit. If you look at any Bushcraft forum, the 'Kit' sections are one of the most used parts of the forum.
Natural Bushcraft encompasses all, but we all still have our own views. If you want just the primative, then Paleo Planet is a good forum. Everyone is free to come n go as they like..

[Adam Savage]

Trying to stay on topic here...

I found several birds apps when I had my iPhone, which were very useful. They included between 1 and 6 samples of calls for each bird. It helped me identify a couple of suspects while in the woods, as the canopy, foliage, large number of trees, etc, make it hard to spot the actual birds at times.
These kind of apps are probably more useful than your basic bird book, because of the sound element. The recordings were even clear enough to entice several species to come and investigate.

I cannot remember the exact names of these apps, but a quick search for bird apps will surely provide many results, most of which will include the calls, as well as various photos of both male and female examples, in each species/family.

[Bernie]

This makes me think it might be interesting to compile a list of wanted apps as well as existing ones. On my wanted list I'd include these ideas:

1. Record a bird and have it identified - think Shazam (http://www.shazam.com/)for birds :)
2. Risk assessment and awareness though location specific information. It might have zones for levels of competency that would keep noobs like me away from dangerous places, with indication of dangers and possibly the number of fatalities/rescues.
3. Post my location at regular intervals to a website that only allows people I share the link with to see where I (my phone) is.

Got any other ideas? I reckon I can do the last one if anyone's interested. It would require GPS and a data connection of course, so not suitable for the more remote locations, but might keep my wife's mind at ease when I go canoeing on the estuary or along the coastline.

[Silverback]

No 2. has obviously turned my light on...levels of competency Mmmmmm could be tricky ground but its worth investigating its a damn fine idea given the advice leaflets etc are falling on deaf ears

[wildish64]

well it was not so much an app but i used to download knot tying tutorials from you tube and play them on my phone when i was out,after a while i had learnt/remembered them so deleted as no longer required.
speaking for myself im now compiling a list of pictures of edible wild pants for the same purpose as my phone is somewhat old now and a lot of apps probably wont work on it,but it will serve as a handy reference as i find many books illustrations somewhat lacking.

[Silverback]

speaking for myself im now compiling a list of pictures of edible wild pants for the same purpose as my phone is somewhat old now and a lot of apps probably wont work on it,but it will serve as a handy reference as i find many books illustrations somewhat lacking.

Colin is making some wild edibles ID flash cards too

[Bernie]

No 2. has obviously turned my light on...levels of competency Mmmmmm could be tricky ground but its worth investigating its a damn fine idea given the advice leaflets etc are falling on deaf ears

Is there any publicly available information on rescues and or fatalities Sapper? I'd be interested in maybe helping make people aware of the dangers they don't see or know of.

[Dave ward]

Sorry if its already been said (only got 5 mins) but sas survival guide is available on Android. Its the whole book and pics and videos on lots of subjects.

[Adam Savage]

No 2. has obviously turned my light on...levels of competency Mmmmmm could be tricky ground but its worth investigating its a damn fine idea given the advice leaflets etc are falling on deaf ears


Is there any publicly available information on rescues and or fatalities Sapper? I'd be interested in maybe helping make people aware of the dangers they don't see or know of.

Do you think an app like that would actually increase accidents/fatalities/call outs/etc, purely from people wanting to walk a little on the wild side?
It might not, but even if it didn't, I'm not sure if inexperienced travelers (who I'm guessing would be the main target audience), would take much notice of warnings anyway :(

Great idea though if people actually took heed from the information, and I guess if it only saves one serious injury/life, then it would be worth it :)

[Thumbcrusher]

might keep my wife's mind at ease when I go canoeing on the estuary or along the coastline. Would probably keep my wifes mind at ease when i nip down the local for a few jars;)
"Droid sky view" nice little app that tells you were you are by identifying star patterns when you point your camera to the night sky! Even does it in the day!! and its free.

[Kernowek Scouser]

Not strictly bushcraft, but as far as desired apps go, a proximity alert app would be handy. I could enter the details of folks I know, who love sharing their check ins at various locations on Facebook or tweeting about whatever is making the LOL at any given moment and receive a heads up when they are near by... so I can avoid them :D

Seriously though, even though I do not have a smart phone myself, for particular personal reasons, I do recognise that many people use such phones as a tool and like all tools they have their pros and cons, can reasonably and responsibly be used in certain scenarios, but should not be relied upon or used as a safety blanket in others.

There is often absolutely no difference between information used for reference in a book and information used for reference on a smart phone app, because it is often the same information. A book has the advantage of not needing a battery to use. An app has the advantage of being more interactive, if required, and as Adam said, can also include sounds, additional pictures and even videos, all of which can make the task being attempted easier to understand and achieve, which is not a bad thing.

In the absence of an actual person to teach you, is anyone seriously suggesting that absorbing information about wild flora for example, from a smart phone / tablet screen, makes that information any less valid, than the exact same information, absorbed from the pages of a book?

Obviously apps do more than just act as an electronic book and it is the concern of some regarding the reliance of others, on such skill substitute applications that have raised passions here. It has been argued that such apps, when used in conjunction with Common Sense can be rather handy and I do not doubt for one moment that all of the folks here who have argued such, can and do happily use such apps without endangering themselves or anyone else.

However as a general observation, I do believe that Sense is increasingly a lot less Common than it used to be.

The conundrum facing us is how do you discourage the kind of people who would put a plastic bag over their head and tie it around their neck, then on being rescued from suffocation, argue that "It didn't say not to do that on the bag", from using skill substitute apps, often endangering themselves, those around them and anyone required to help them?

Like I said in my previous post, a conversation worth having but not one that needs to detract from the request for a useful apps list by the OP.

[Silverback]

Is there any publicly available information on rescues and or fatalities Sapper? I'd be interested in maybe helping make people aware of the dangers they don't see or know of.

Yes MREW (mountain rescue england and wales) produce figures annually. HMCG may not publicly release but a SAR (subject access request) may turn up some info


It might not, but even if it didn't, I'm not sure if inexperienced travelers (who I'm guessing would be the main target audience), would take much notice of warnings anyway :(

Those that think the road closed notice wasnt meant for them :)

[Silverback]

Like I said in my previous post, a conversation worth having but not one that needs to detract from the request for a useful apps list by the OP.

I'm certain we had started to move away from that........warning may contain nuts....... ;)

[Bernie]

Yes MREW (mountain rescue england and wales) produce figures annually. HMCG may not publicly release but a SAR (subject access request) may turn up some info

I need more help Sapper. I searched the MREW (http://www.mountain.rescue.org.uk/) website but could only find a PDF that's broken down by district. Maybe I should contact them directly via their website to ask for geolocated data in a format I could import and use.

I have no idea what a SAR is. But I'm learning...

I feel I've bitten off more than I can chew. :(

[Bernie]

An aside: I was browsing the 2011 MREW stats (http://www.mountain.rescue.org.uk/assets/files/resources/2011AnnualReport2ndEditionpdf.pdf) and couldn't help seeing this on page 10: "Row 8 - the number of incidents initiated using a mobile phone by the subject requiring assistance." the statistic is 49% - much higher than I expected.

[JonnyP]

In the absence of an actual person to teach you, is anyone seriously suggesting that absorbing information about wild flora for example, from a smart phone / tablet screen, makes that information any less valid, than the exact same information, absorbed from the pages of a book?


Yes, I am..
Books are not as portable as a mobile phone. Everyone has a mobile phone. Foraging is very popular at the mo. There are plenty of muppets out there.

[Silverback]

Maybe I should contact them directly via their website to ask for geolocated data in a format I could import and use.
(

The problem with geolocated data is you will start to see hotspots for incidents..in some areas that may indicate a dangerous place like Snowdons Crib Goch, or Broad Stand on Scafell...or an area of lots of incidents because of activity type like Stanege Edge - the most famous climbing edge in the country (probably) and normally the only ones that fall off are climbers....I'll make some quiet enquiries for you if you wish.



An aside: I was browsing the 2011 MREW stats and couldn't help seeing this on page 10: "Row 8 - the number of incidents initiated using a mobile phone by the subject requiring assistance." the statistic is 49% - much higher than I expected.

Can you see now why I'm so quick to advise caution ? Most of those calls will have resulted in some kind of response from SAR/MRT potentially putting at risk the lives of the rescuers......

[Kernowek Scouser]

Yes, I am..
Books are not as portable as a mobile phone. Everyone has a mobile phone. Foraging is very popular at the mo. There are plenty of muppets out there.
Then we will have to agree to differ. Information is information, a muppet is a muppet and whether they use a book for reference or the screen of a phone, they will still end up the creek without a paddle.

[Corbeau]

I found several birds apps when I had my iPhone, which were very useful. They included between 1 and 6 samples of calls for each bird. It helped me identify a couple of suspects while in the woods, as the canopy, foliage, large number of trees, etc, make it hard to spot the actual birds at times.
These kind of apps are probably more useful than your basic bird book, because of the sound element. The recordings were even clear enough to entice several species to come and investigate.

This makes me think it might be interesting to compile a list of wanted apps as well as existing ones. On my wanted list I'd include these ideas:

1. Record a bird and have it identified - think Shazam (http://www.shazam.com/)for birds :)


Your posts made me think, so i googled a bit and here we go.

Ladies and Gents without further ado:
WeBird!
http://grow.cals.wisc.edu/environment/smart-birding

Sadly it's till under development.

[Aragorn]

3. Post my location at regular intervals to a website that only allows people I share the link with to see where I (my phone) is.

This can be done with viewranger, routes can be public or private. Also includes a buddy list so other vr owners can be followed and found. A feature that has been adopted by over 100 s&r teams, so maybe technology does have its uses :p
http://goo.gl/ePWa8

[Silverback]

This can be done with viewranger, routes can be public or private. Also includes a buddy list so other vr owners can be followed and found. A feature that has been adopted by over 100 s&r teams, so maybe technology does have its uses :p
http://goo.gl/ePWa8

Thats interesting......MREW has its own system called SARMAP/SARMAN that works in conjunction with a dedicated mapping system supplied by Mapyx Quo it maps the location of each callsign via a GPS enabled Mic on the radios.

Tech does have its uses, no one said any different now back to topic......

[Aragorn]

To be honest I only use vr to record walks ive done or "research" future ones. I am not confifent enough in my map reading skills to go anywhere unfamiliar alone, so usually go with a mate. There is a great website called social hiking which can use vr to show your route and incorporate pictures, tweets, bagged peaks, check ins etc. Not everyone's cup of tea, but for say a charity event is ideal. http://www.shareyouradventure.com/

[Silverback]

now theres an idea a bushcraft trip report app...it would save writing one when you get back...wiht a stealth mode too so it doesnt track your favourite naughty spots

[Aragorn]

My god I think ive converted him :D lol. Theres a lot of sources that can be used. Picassa, audioboo for audio files, bambuser for video etc. And live routes can be imbeded into a webpage also.

[Silverback]

My god I think ive converted him :D lol. Theres a lot of sources that can be used. Picassa, audioboo for audio files, bambuser for video etc. And live routes can be imbeded into a webpage also.

No you haven't....technology has its place never denied it............

[Aragorn]

;) so close.

[Corbeau]

I don't think he needed conversion ... the trip journal you posted earlier looks good sadly it's only available on a limited amount of devices, but for the bushcraft trip app you could use viewfinder... it has at least most of the funktions for it.

[ADz]

now theres an idea a bushcraft trip report app...it would save writing one when you get back...wiht a stealth mode too so it doesnt track your favourite naughty spots


Trip Journal (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.iqapps.mobile.tripjournalfull&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5pc WFwcHMubW9iaWxlLnRyaXBqb3VybmFsZnVsbCJd):
Are you a passionate traveler, ready to set off on your next travel adventure? Trip Journal is the ultimate travel app(winner of Android Development Challenge) to track, record, document, and share your travels with friends and family.

T^

[Silverback]

I actually like the sound of this one

http://www.trip-journal.com/


posted this at 4:56 yesterday :)

[ADz]

posted this at 4:56 yesterday :)

:oops:

[David_JAFO]

hello,
Mate State Side sent me this link might be of interest :confused2:
http://www.komando.com/apps/category.aspx?id=12940&utm_medium=nl&utm_source=asd&utm_content=2013-06-12-article_1_0-title
Regards
David

[Silverback]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-23020638

before anyone posts this....This smartphone app is NOT available to the general public and in the truest sense is not an app at all. It's only available to MRT/SAR and is sent to the lost persons phone from the SAR team.

[ADz]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-23020638

before anyone posts this....This smartphone app is NOT available to the general public and in the truest sense is not an app at all. It's only available to MRT/SAR and is sent to the lost persons phone from the SAR team.

As far as I can tell it uses this (http://www.mrmap.org.uk/).

[Silverback]

As far as I can tell it uses this (http://www.mrmap.org.uk/).

Yes, that can be combined with a programme called SARMAN not available to the 'general public'. It has been used in 'anger' to good effect in my old region. MRMap is used to track our radio callsigns too so you can see where search parties are as well as other resources (provided they have GPS enabled radios) I'll be happy to show you how it works, I have it installed on my laptop.


You still cant download it as an app to your smartphone though - the whole point of highlighting the news story before it was posted.


How it works......this 'rescue' was the 150th successful activation of SARLoC
quote from a team spokesperson from SSSART/AMRT

“The casualty was swiftly located by using Sarloc, a smartphone application developed by Russ Hore from the Ogwen Valley mountain rescue team.

“If the walker in trouble is using a smartphone, then he or she is sent a text message with a link to a webpage.

“Clicking on this link opens a page in the phone’s browser which queries the phone to identify its location as a latitude-longitude coordinate.

“This location data is then displayed to the mountain rescue team call handler who can then see the casualty’s location displayed on a digital Ordnance Survey map.

“With a definitive grid reference, both teams deployed to the area, and successfully located the male in good time.”

[ADz]

Ahh I see, so its a much simpler/quicker way for the rescue team to get the persons GPS location without having to mess around explaining how to do it via built in or 3rd party apps. Plus its much quicker/more accurate then trying to triangulate from their mobile signal. I suppose the more experienced or more alert people could give GPS location without problem but this is ideal for people who cant.

[Silverback]

Plus its much quicker/more accurate then trying to triangulate from their mobile signal. .

Err infinitely quicker and infinitely more reliable - the hoops that have to be jumped through to even suggest a triangulation....sheesh !


I suppose the more experienced or more alert people could give GPS location without problem but this is ideal for people who cant

Or they could learn to navigate properly and not get lost in the first place...ideal for spot pick ups with injured casualties accidents happen every day...getting lost/benighted is preventable

[ADz]

Or they could learn to navigate properly and not get lost in the first place..

ADz: One thing I'm still up for if you're still willing ;)

Sapper: Cant teach you to navigate in one weekend..and its a skill that degrades, lots and lots of practice will help Adz even somewhere flat like Hull

ADz: I will be practicing, Just looking for quick lesson around area I dont know to test myself.


Btw, I think you hit the Edit button instead of reply, I have re-edited to save confusion.

[ADz]

Bernie..no need to shout ;)

I actually like the sound of this one

http://www.trip-journal.com/

After looking more into this app I wouldn't bother with this Sapper as its way outdated, has lots of bugs. Also you cant export/share any of the trip anymore because the API's on the sites like Google Earth/Flickr/Facebook/Picassa etc have been updated and the app hasn't so its a bit of a useless app at the moment. Should be good if developer ever updates it again, been a year without update so far.

I have been looking for some alternatives for recording trips while away and some are quite good but lack in some areas or seriously lack. One good one I found is HipGeo, seems quite good as you take photos then add captions, auto-log positions, take notes etc and it will turn them into a nice video slideshow on the blog. I think its one I am going to use for travel to/from and at meet.

If yourself or anybody else reading is considering a trip journal app you should check it out. If anybody else has some decent alternatives please post :)

[Silverback]

Cheers Adz. At the moment I still dont have any issues with writing a report tagging on photos and crating routes manually so its not much of an issue. I still just use my phone as a phone, and occasionally the camera..in fact I have ditched my touch screen android for a blackberry with a keyboard....bit less sensitive to being dropped, splashed, and generally abused in the outdoors - oh and doesnt lock because skin particles in sweat have dried on the screen

[FishyFolk]

Yes, and as I also said you can fall back on navigation skills (If you have them). Or if you forget the extra battery.

If you was going into a -10 situation then you obviously wouldn't rely on or expect to use battery power.


Its about choice, If you choose to use technology/convenience there is nothing wrong with it but if you go into dangerous environments and only rely on tech then that is obviously silly.

Thats my situation from late october to to April. If I switch on the GPS on my smartphone, it's dead withing 30-45 minutes on a fully charged battery....thats in summer, when we have 10-15 degrees.

And no, this environment is not specially dangerous. It's just Norway.

That said. I do bring the phone. It's for calling the wife and kids to say goodningt, I am still allive. And for getting a quick position fix if I am hurt and need help and it works. If not, the map and compass is on my body...ehem....if I do not leave them on the car roof when I find my car again after getting lost. And drive off with them still on the roof...

The phone sits in a water prof bag, next to my body until needing use.

[Corbeau]

HipGeo
Thanks for the Info...

Downloading...

Take a look into it...

@Sapper: I run a Samsung Galaxy XCover 2: IP67 rated, shockresistant Android Smartphone; GPS & Glonass Compatible... I like it so far. Sadly without Root the internal memory is a meagre 1GB...but I got root so I don't really care.

BTW hands of the Army Survival Manual 3-.05.07 App that doesnt need any permissions, I haven't found the problem yet, but every now and then it starts itself without your knowledge.

Btw nice Navi App witout Point by Point is "Maverik", it even features the Ordnance Survey Maps for Britain...

[FishyFolk]

Ahh I see, so its a much simpler/quicker way for the rescue team to get the persons GPS location without having to mess around explaining how to do it via built in or 3rd party apps. Plus its much quicker/more accurate then trying to triangulate from their mobile signal. I suppose the more experienced or more alert people could give GPS location without problem but this is ideal for people who cant.

The Norwegian system is a true app. I.e it is downloaded onto yor phone.

It's activated by one press. If the phones GPS is not active, it will ask you to activate it...so one more press of the button.

Once the gps has the position it will transmit it by sms to rescue services, allong with an adress if you are in a built up area.
At the same time it calls rescue services. So you don't have to rember anything, you do not need an active internet connection.
All you need is enough signal to send an SMS. Wich is much, much lower than what is required for a phone call.


Cons:
It needs to be pre installed by user.

Strength:
Simplicity, does not require a working internet connection, instructions that must be understood etc. You start the app, press the call button. And you are done.

[Corbeau]

Darn you brits, I just found this app:

http://www.showmehills.com/

have fun with it its a augmented camera ap that takes your postion and bearing and names the hills you are looking at ...

[Corbeau]

and another one ... https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.appyhand.bearingcompass

Augmented Reality Bearing + Baseplate Compass


But this one is more like a fun app...first of all you should have a real compass; further more a electrical compass in a cell is never as precise as a real one ...and last but not least this app and the compass are useless if you don't know how to handle them...

but i find the idea to use the cell's cam to smulate a clear baseplate kind of funny...

[Silverback]

Heres a doozy folks.........http://www.independent.ie/videos/have-you-seen/wheres-my-poo-sewer-tracking-app-goes-live-28816084.html

you could now have your very own 'shatnav' he he he

and if you're really desperately bored or just loosing the will to live then how about this ? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kefsco.pooplog2&hl=en

[Adam Savage]

Wouldn't that second one just be called a log-log? Oh dear, who comes up with these things

[Corbeau]

Darn you brits, I just found this app:

http://www.showmehills.com/

have fun with it its a augmented camera ap that takes your postion and bearing and names the hills you are looking at ...

update on this app... have been playing around with it for a while now: during hikes in the area of central japan... does not know every hill but even in japan the more important ones are available...

btw there is a ukonly version:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.showmehills.showmehillsuk

[Silverback]

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/poop-the-world/id310125724?mt=8

is this the ultimate Poop tracker...yes map your poo with your on board GPS ;)