Full time 365 survival in the uk

well said

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Originally Posted by Jack Russell

Hmmm seems to me the original question was just about food but we quickly got onto living in the wild -

Accepting 2 things from Martin - his very first statement at comment number 4 and his statement that posts have been deleted and I'm to play nicely........ OK

I have 1 "qualified" view, cloud cuckoo land - why?
lets run a poll of the entire membership of this site with one question:
what is the longest consecutive run of time we have spent living outdoors supporting ourselves alone? I'm happy to answer this one, I lived homeless for three months -impressed I hear you thinking but the longest consecutive run I managed alone and in the Welsh wilderness was 17 days with a 80 litre pack and as many trappings as I could carry. It's pretty difficult to exist even on the edge of society once you start to look like a tramp and smell like an armpit. It's pretty difficult to keep "having a brew" when you have to weigh up teabags against warm clothing. It's pretty difficult to keep dipping in your rucksack for more socks because you're wearing them out with all the foraging you're doing. It's pretty difficult to make a new pair of boots because the ones you have are falling apart with all the work you're doing. It's pretty difficult to forage in 3 straight days of rain especially if you've given yourself a dose of the aztec twostep because you didn't watch the mussels/prawn/rabbit/fungus/fish/wild edibles you were cooking over your fire last night as you were exhausted from just "surviving" and reaching in your rucksack for medication does have it's limitations. It's pretty difficult when there's no methylated spirit or gas cans and so on and so forth. "Tramps" live by their wits in towns and cities - I know I've shared body heat with them and they are not generally found out in the woodland and along the coastline where people who choose to be homeless exist (again on the edge of society.
I can keep going on all night - I wish you the best of British if you choose to attempt living like a nomadic ancient in a modern world but I strongly urge you to consider that gleaning your entire knowledge from websites with memberships (and I include myself in this statement) that consist of people who have an enthusiastic interest in learning the skills which form their occasional weekend and vacation time "hobby" is perhaps not the sum total of the research you need to carry out before placing your future in the hands of one emergency service or another to get you out of the very dark place you'll quickly find yourself in.
regards Jack

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I'd love to be able to survive a few weeks with just a knife, that would be very hard though.

Tell me more bushcraftboy do you mean just a knife? nothing to shelter in? no way of keeping warm? No water? Nothing to eat? totally naked, what not even a pair of pants? I'm kidding ... of course you'd have pants on.
First things first - tell me how you're going to get around the rule of 3's -
You're in South Wales, I'm in the North so we're not a million miles apart. A month from now we'll get horizontal rain and icy temperatures - once you're cold and very damp you'll have roughly 3 hours before a world of pain begins your decent into hyperthermia and you'll fall asleep. If you don't find reliable potable water within 3 days a world of pain. and in 3 weeks if you haven't found nourishment a world of pain. So with your knife and your pants what's your plan????
(and by the way congratulations for bringing a dead thread back to life - for that I'll start with a knife and my boxers that's worse than anything I've ever had to face and I'll even do it with you as a team. Over to you mate

A pimped firesteel for the most igenius solution to all of my team's problems as a prize from me as a gift. Well bushcraftboy it's you and I against the whole of Natural Bushcraft.
No breaking the law, and leave no trace mwhaaahaaa

It's too cold sat here in my pants waiting for you lot! On the seafront there are about 12 bins lined with bin liners I'm going to "borrow" 3 (emptying the contents into other bins, I'll have the bin liners back in the morning before they are missed - without a complaint, no crime has been committed). One over my head as a poncho and one wrapped around each foot I'm off up the beach. even at nine o'clock on Sunday night out of season it'll take me 40 minutes in the pitch dark to find a few scraps of clothing - messy beggars tourists they always leave trace. The best pub in the village shuts in a couple of hours, there's an outside tap and a heat exchanger for the air con in both the pub and the accomodation there'll be hot air blowing. the pub has a restaurant with a big wheelie bin outside so I might get lucky and find a couple of tin cans. There's more rubbish bags so I'm up and running. People always leave newspapers in pubs, they end up in the bins - ok a bit stinky now they've been chucked out but I've got some insulation. I need to stow some water in a piece of bin bag and knot it tight and try for a few hours head down once all goes quiet.
Now I need to think about enough rags and something on my feet to walk into town in the morning - I'm off BEGGING........... let's show 'em how tramps get by!!!!!!!! come on you slow coaches me my team mate are ahead already!!!!!

studies of survivors have shown many things - amongst them:
a sense of immediacy survivors tend to address the situation they find themselves in to overcome the initial emergency very well
positivity survivors often face their situation with a certainty that they remain in control of the circumstances they find themselves in
making light many survivors play games with themselves and those around them as a motivational aid
planning strategies survivors display the ability to make short term plans which will lead them in stages to ultimate goals; in this instance bushcraftboy wants to survive in "the bush", I don't believe we have what we yet need in order to do so therefore we need a strategy which will get us equipped and prepared to do the things bushcraftboy had in mind in the first instance. Sorry bushcraftboy you did start us off with a knife and a pair of pants mate

Hmmmmm 07:45 Monday morning nobody has come to rescue us or offer us assistance. It's been a cold night with drizzle, no real sleep just catnaps for a few minutes at a time. spent most of the night shivering - this is a good sign. Shivering is the body's natural mechanism of generating heat (but it does burn calories and can be quite draining physically and mentally) I don't fancy having to do that again tonight.
OK we have a knife a few binbags a small amount of water and I've found an empty chopped tomato can in the restaurant bin. we need a way to have the knife with me but not on display. Now we need a plan. Plans should always be S.M.A.R.T.
Specific they should break down steps into manageable bites
Measureable we need to know when we have achieved each step or we have reached an outcome
Achievable we're not going to be swinging from a hammock in woodland by tonight but at the same time don't set goals that will see you done with your feet up by mid morning, there's too much at stake
Results oriented wanting a pair of shoes, some trousers, a top and a cigarette lighter would be pretty good progress from where we are right now
Time based we'll have everything in our expected results list by 11:00 am this morning then we'll be able to plan our next move

Don't spend all morning planning how we're going to get to the woods with a rucksack full of bushcraft toys and do some interesting stuff just have an ultimate goal you are working logically toward. This is time for more action than planning and daydreaming about how nice it's all gonna in 3 weeks time.

Great reality check there Jack.
Hope the SAR find you both soon. For goodness sake hang on to the trousers!!!

And another thing......what did you have against Pigeons for all those years:confused2:

Thanks for stopping by rossbird if you've been reading up on all the posts in this thread, bushcraftboy and I could really use any help and advice that the natural bushcrafters have to offer because we've found ourselves in a bit of a mess. We've got a plan and we know where we'd like to end up but we don't know nearly enough to get by on our own so if you have any knowledge or experience of these kind of situations we'd be very grateful for your input. Please understand we're not asking you to join with us but we don't think we're gonna get by on our own.

As for pigeons, it's totally off topic, and we are a bit tied up right now but suffice to say that Rolls-Royce plc now only use oven ready chickens and dunlopillow feathers for all of their bird strike testing so pigeon fanciers need not chain themselves to the railings on sinfin in Derby any more.

Do me a favour rossbird, put the word out in the community, I know there are some bright and resourceful folks on the website - We're in big trouble here and thinking on our feet. Thanks in advance. Jack

By the way we have a plan to get some internet access today so if there are any posts on the forums that you think might help us we'd appreciate it if you'd link them in here. Every step of our adventure we're trying to get the most knowledge and experience we can so ask the guys not to run ahead please so we can soak up all the ideas and input and maybe discuss a little - but hey keep in mind bushcraftboy and I are bleddy cold, hungry and motivated so we ain't hanging around on any platforms we've got hammock swinging in the bush to do!!!!!

Ok on the way into town there is a charity shop that's my first port of call even though it doesn't open for another 2 hours. making the journey I get lucky (because I'm a lucky kind of chap) I find 3 of those lovely red elastic bands that postie drops in the street (don't you just love people who leave a trace) and 8 half smoked cigarette butts (I am a smoker but these are not for smoking, these are tools, I have a hunch).
Girls give things to charity shops, but sometimes while they are "having a clear out" they discard stuff we'd really like to play with (what do you mean - you threw the quality street tin away woman, I wanted that????)

A university studying luck and good fortune surveyed 1000 golfers beginning with the question "would you say you are a lucky person"
When further analysed it showed that generally pessimistic golfers who thrash the stupid white ignorant pill (yes I'm a golfer in 100% remission thanks to my shrink and strong drugs) into long grass have a mindset that they believe the ball is lost, find their belief becoming the reality more often than not. However, generally optimistic players with a lucky mindset who believe they are going to walk right up there and play on for par tend to find their ball.
The conclusion was that a positive and optimistic mindset causes more alertness and a heightening of the senses when searching for things.